A Problem For Creationists

Take a look at the night sky.  It’s well known that many of the stars are tens of thousands of light years away.  The farthest stars we observe in the Milky Way are around 95,000 light years away from us.  There are innumerable galaxies which are millions or even billions of light years away from us.  Now if this is the case, then when God created all of these galaxies and put them in their positions, did he also create all the light beams already in place?  If He didn’t, then we shouldn’t see anything but those stars within 6,000 or so light years from us.  The rest of the night sky should be black.  New stars should be appearing in the sky each night as their light just reached us for the first time. However, this isn’t what we observe.

If you’re not convinced by the fossil record, the common ancestry found within all of our DNA, or potassium-argon dating, then this alone should be enough to convince you that creationism is wrong.  I’m thinking that over the next few months, each time I come across a piece of evidence like this, I’m going to post it on here for creationists to look at.

The picture we see in our telescopes gives factual evidence for the Big Bang.  When you look out using say the Hubble telescope, you see this,

Looking through a high powered telescope is like looking into a time-machine because the light reaching us is coming from different distances and was emitted at different times.  Quite a profound thing to think about.

There’s so much waiting for you to understand.   Give up your superstitions and learn the truth about our universe.  We’re a part of something truly amazing.  The universe is very big and very very old.  We can’t even begin to comprehend 13.7 billion years.  It’s even harder to comprehend that our universe is likely just one member of a multi-verse.

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6 Responses to A Problem For Creationists

  1. Timothy Fairman says:

    Can light not travel that distance in a shortened period of time according to the theory of relativity. As far as I know just because the star is 13.7 billion light years away doesn’t mean it took 13.7 billion years for the light to get here. Or is that false?

    To be honest Jason I don’t think you understand the Christian faith. Yes there are idiots who claim to perform exorcisms and whatnot but most christians are intelligent people who happen to have had an encounter with the holy spirit.

  2. No Tim, light cannot travel that distance in a shortened period of time. The theory of relativity states the the laws of physics are the same in all inertial frames of reference, and that the speed of light is constant, regardless of the motion of the source. Einstein dispensed with the absolute frame of the ether, and said that the speed of light is constant in any inertial frame of reference. It’s subtle stuff, but you’re very wrong. Light’s speed is CONSTANT. It never varies.

    If you don’t believe me, then read this article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light

    Scroll down to Astronomy and you find this blurb:
    “The finite speed of light is important in astronomy. Due to the vast distances involved, it can take a very long time for light to travel from its source to Earth. For example, it has taken 13 billion (13 × 10^9) years for light to travel to Earth from the faraway galaxies viewed in the Hubble Ultra Deep Field images. Those photographs, taken today, capture images of the galaxies as they appeared 13 billion years ago, when the universe was less than a billion years old. The fact that farther-away objects appear younger (due to the finite speed of light) allows astronomers to infer the evolution of stars, of galaxies, and of the universe itself.

    Astronomical distances are sometimes expressed in light-years, especially in popular science publications. A light‑year is the distance light travels in one year, around 9461 billion kilometres, 5879 billion miles, or 0.3066 parsecs. Proxima Centauri, the closest star to Earth after the Sun, is around 4.2 light‑years away.”

    It also talks about engineering concerns we deal with when building communication systems,
    “Another consequence of the finite speed of light is that communications between the Earth and spacecraft are not instantaneous. There is a brief delay from the source to the receiver, which becomes more noticeable as distances increase. This delay was significant for communications between ground control and Apollo 8 when it became the first manned spacecraft to orbit the Moon: for every question, the ground control station had to wait at least three seconds for the answer to arrive. The communications delay between Earth and Mars is almost ten minutes. As a consequence of this, if a robot on the surface of Mars were to encounter a problem, its human controllers would not be aware of it until ten minutes later; it would then take at least a further ten minutes for instructions to travel from Earth to Mars.”

    If things worked like what you’re saying, then the term “light-year” would have no meaning. The speed of light would not be constant, because you’re saying that light from distant galaxies travels at a different speed than light from say our sun. It takes sunlight 8 minutes and 20 seconds to reach us. I’m sure you don’t deny this? I hope not. When we send out communication signals they travel at light speed and there are delays. Why would the light from distant galaxies be special and ignore the space inbetween us? Why would it move at a different speed?

    If you deny the arguments I made in this article, you’re denying Einstein’s theory of relativity – one of the main cornerstones on which all modern physics is based. It’s been proven in the lab time and time again.

    You deny radiometric dating. You deny the fossil record. You deny that the speed of light is constant. You know Tim, your stubbornness is just like that of the old priests back in Galileo’s time. He pointed the telescope up into space and said, “Look at Venus. Look at it’s shadow. You can see clearly that it’s orbiting the sun. The Earth is not the center of everything.” But they wouldn’t look at it. Why? It told them that their beliefs were wrong. And being wrong in their religious beliefs was too much for them to handle.

    I don’t think there’s any argument I can make to you that will ever convince you because you want your religious beliefs to be true. The cost of giving up your religious beliefs is more than what you believe you’d gain by the truths I’m telling you. Since you value your relationship with God more than truth, “God” will beat out my arguments, no matter what I say. If you’re having to deny science, time and time again, just to hold onto your beliefs, I think you should seriously reconsider everything.

    It’s like a friend of mine who fell in love with a girl who was just terrible for him. She was beautiful and that made him blind to her faults. He could only see her good points and any time we warned him about the bad points, he ignored us and said, “No. She’s perfect. She’s not like that.” That’s how you’re being with the Bible and faith. “It’s perfect.” As long as you’re enamored with it all, it’s going to be impossible for you to see all the errors and things that don’t make sense.

    I’ll leave you with some quotes from Bertrand Russell.

    “What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index to his desires – desires of which he himself is often unconscious.”
    – Bertrand Russell, Proposed Roads To Freedom

    “To refuse to face facts merely because they are unpleasant is considered the mark of a weak character, except in the sphere of religion.”
    – Bertrand Russell, The Value of Free Thought

  3. Yamin says:

    I’m not a creationist but this card of argument is rather mute.

    If you believe that God created the universe and the Earth, God must have created it in some state. The initial state can be anything. God popping out the universe out of the big bang x billion years ago is the same as God popping out a fully functioning universe 6000 years ago with the Earth in place.

    Heck, even dinosaur fossils are not an argument against creationism. If God created the Earth, God could have created it as a barran rock… or he could have created it with Dinosaur fossils in the ground.

    Again… the initial state of existence is equally likely to be anything.

    Heck, God could have created the universe right now… and I have just been created and typing this entry and my entire previous memories are just the initial state God created 😛

    In any case… there’s a reason it is faith… because you believe or not. You cannot prove or disprove God and creationism is just another aspect of that.

  4. Yamin,

    I suppose that’s a logical possibility, but it’s not one anyone should take seriously. It’s the ultimate form of history denial. In denies all history, claiming God, just a microsecond ago, created everything as it exists in its current state. And if God is pure love, and everything creationists tell us He is, then why would He have created this particular world as it exists right now, as the starting point? So our entire pasts are lies, we’ve never actually made a decision, and nobody has ever lived prior to us? Any memories we have of our dead relatives are fictions God put into our heads?

    I don’t see any reason to think that way. It makes all of reality arbitrary. The more you attribute to God as an arbitrary act of creation, the less you look for clues asking WHY things are the way they are, and the developments of how the past has played out. I believe the past to be real and to have actually happened. I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

  5. Yamin Bismilla says:

    Well I was being a glib with my comment on the universe just being created as we typed.

    My point was that if you start from the premise that God created everything, then the calculations concerning how far light travels are mute.

    If God went poof and there there the Earth is…
    Isn’t it just as likely, God some poof and there are the light waves/particles in their spots.

    It’s not a problem for creationists is all I’m saying. You can argue the premise that God created everything… but if one chooses to accept that premise, then dinosaurs, light distances… are not contradictions.

  6. Ben says:

    @Yamin Bismilla
    What you are saying is utter lunacy and the equivalent of saying “God put dinosaur fossils in th e ground to test our faith” – Yes! Actual creationists have used that as a serious argument – I’m not joking! I’m sorry, but it’s just pathetic that many first world people live under the delusion that there is a god, and that god created the Earth in seven days 6-10k years ago. Good article btw.

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